Fay Voshell: The tortures visited upon St. Agatha have been visited on women for centuries. Until the 19th century, a "breast ripper," also known as the "Iron Spider," was used to punish women guilty of sexual transgressions. Removing breasts was a way of destroying a woman's sexuality - indeed, her womanhood.
Even today, rituals such as breast ironing and female genital mutilation are a means of eliminating women's identity in order that they become less sexually tempting. Ironically, it is mostly women who inflict such tortures on other women...How did Rohrer, now an ordained overseer of the sheep, priest and anointed bishop in the Evangelical Lutheran church, become an appointed representative of Jesus Christ, the Great Physician, who is a healer of bodies and souls?
Ron: Ordained overseers in the Christian religion are NOT appointed representatives of Christ Jesus. The Christian religion was created by Pharisees and Roman Emperors and accordingly its ordained overseers represent, either consciously or unconsciously, those who ordain them, NOT Christ Jesus. See eg: Judaism and Christianity - Two Thousand Years of Lies - 60 Years of State Terrorism - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Judaism-and-Christianity---Two-Thousand-Years-of-Lies---60-Years-of-State-Terrorism.shtml
Fay Voshell: But Christian sainthood is not based on psychological indeterminacy and personal pain. It is based on faith in Christ.
Ron: I disagree. Arguably "Christian sainthood", ie the successful completion of the human journey through the Cosmos to meet with the Creator, is based on each individual's personal mastery of self predicated upon faith in the Creator as represented by Christ Michael, the creator of this planet and local universe; and loving "good works" for and on behalf of the Creator. Christ Jesus represented the Creator but was not the Creator
Fay Voshell: Luther never repudiated the divine origin of the human race as created male and female in the image of God. He retained the Christian belief that the body as well as the soul is redeemed and will be transfigured.
Ron: I disagree. As I innerstand it, the soul is the repository of the myriad experiences of the ensouled individual and it remains with the spirit as the spirit evolves, grows and transforms. However, that process requires myriad physical incarnations whereafter the physical body ceases to exist as each incarnation ends].
Fay Voshell: The only person who will bear the saving marks of mutilation will be Jesus Christ, not those he came to seek and to save.
Ron: I disagree. Christ Jesus was a dual incarnation and the spirits of Christ Michael Aton (the God of this local universe) and Esu Immanuel Kumara, one of his created sons, overshadowed the physical body of Christ Jesus (because their vibrational frequences were too high to actually inhabit Jesus' physical body without destroying it). CM ceased overshadowing Jesus during the crucifixation and Jesus didn't die but was resuscitated and went to Damascus where he subsequently frightened the bejabbers out of the pharisee Saul (St Paul) and then journeyed to India where he married and had children and died at the age of about 115. See eg: THE CRUCIFIXION OF ESU JESUS JMMANUEL SANANDA http://abundanthope.net/pages/Phoenix_Journals_-_PDF_117/THE-CRUCIFIXION-OF-ESU-JESUS-JMMANUEL-SANANDA.shtml
As both CM and Esu Immanuel are spirits they do not bear physical muitilation marks. Nor do human spirits.
Be aware also that Christ Jesus incarnated to reveal divine truths lost over millennia the teaching of which had been corrupted by Pharisees and others. He did not come to sacrifice himself to "save" anyone because he couldn't. Each ensouled human being must 'save' self. WHY? Because EVERY ensouled Human (Higher universal man) is gifted by the Creator with an indwelling spark of Creator consciousness AND a unique personality and free will which makes him or her an only begotten (ie unique) son or daughter of God). As a consequence, every Human is a sovereign individual responsible for his/her own thoughts, decisions, actions, culpable inactions, evolvement and destiny. Accordingly every HUman must personally learn about life the universe and everything and gradually evolve spiritually to 'save' self, ie to become like God. THAT is the purpose of Creation. HUmans are eternal spirits and hence they have eternity in which to reincarnate and complete this process.
Once the Pharisees had arranged for Roman Emperors to establish a false religion in an effort to eliminate divine truths taught by Jesus they distorted his teachings by excluding the Gospel of Thomas and many other books from the Bible. But their biggest coup was getting the Torah included in the Bible as the "Old Testament". That completely compromised Jesus' teaching and created the basis for perpetuating the colossal LIE that Christian truth somehow arose out of Pharisaic bullshit. That perfidious accomplishment has enabled Pharisees and neo-Pharisees to pretend that despite having crucified Jesus they never-the-less happen to be the font of "Judeo-Christian" morality and values and hence the source of the civilisation that Jesus' divine teaching caused to manifest in Europe.
In particular, the Pharisees were not satisfied with inserting the Torah into the Bible and calling it 'The Old Testament'. They sought to ensure that virtually all references to Jesus' GOOD NEWS such as reincarnation and the fact that EVERY ensouled human being is indwelt by a fragment of Creator consciousness was deliberately omitted from Christian religious teaching and deleted from the Bible.
Pharisees and neo-Pharisees have censored and distorted successive iterations of Jesus' teachings and the Bible narratives for two millenia, starting with the Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus (St Paul), who denigrated females, subjugating them to males. Subsequently Pharisees and neo-Pharisees continued to manipulate Ecumenical Councils.
The denial of the fact that every ensouled human being is a higher universal man (HUman) because s/he is indwelt by a fragment of Creator consciousness and hence sovereign and immortal, was as crucial as the elimination of the truth about reincarnation. Why? Because it led to the infantilisation of Christian religious believers via the false doctrine that Jesus the Christ was the ONLY begotten son of God and that he sacrificed himself for the salvation of ALL of humanity. He didn't and couldn't. Jesus' message was that every HUman is gifted by the Creator with a fragment of Creator consciousness and a unique personality and free will and that, as a consequence, every ensouled human being is a sovereign individual responsible for his/her own decisions, evolvement and destiny. Each HUman must learn about life the universe and everything and evolve spiritually to 'save' self. Moreover, HUmans are eternal spirits and have eternity in which to reincarnate and complete this process.
The Christian religion doesn't tell adherents this truth because Emperor Justinian eliminated virtually all references to Jesus' teaching about reincarnation from the Bible. This was finally achieved during the Fifth Ecumenical Council in 554 AD. At that time Emperor Justinian arrested Pope Vigilius for Believing in Reincarnation and had the Council declare:
If anyone asserts the fabulous preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema. (The Anathemas against Origen), attached to the decrees of the Fifth Ecumenical Council, A.D. 554, in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2d ser., 14: 318). See eg: Pope [Vigilius] Arrested for Believing in Reincarnation - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Pope-Vigilius-Arrested-for-Believing-in-Reincarnation.shtml
Eradication of the doctrine of Reincarnation, ie knowledge that the evolvement of life and hence MIND is based on the reincarnation process (which is essential to enable spirit beings incarnating into physicality to avail themselves of a sufficient number of physical incarnations to adequately explore and understand the immensity of life, the universe and everything) is the method used by the Pharisees and neo-Pharisees, ie Talmudists who call themselves Jews but are not, to convince gentiles (ie all who DO NOT accept Talmudism) that they are merely physical creatures having one, only, lifetime which has no meaning, destiny or purpose.
Concomitantly this LIE, reinforced by the Talmudists' funding and coercion of scientists to accept and promulgate false science about life, the universe and everything as typified by falsely promulgated Darwinian evolutionary theories about the Origin of Species, has made it easy for Talmudists and the Christian religious puppets they control, to instil fear of death into congregations. The truth is scientifically explained by Bruce Lipton. See eg: Bruce Lipton - Fear vs Love State and Stress's Effects on Your Body - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Other_Spiritual_Pieces_68/Bruce-Lipton---Fear-vs-Love-State-and-Stress-s-Effects-on-Your-Body.shtml
This process of inserting LIES into Christian teaching and the Bible has made it feasible for Talmudists and materialists generally, to distort human consciousness and science by having scientists, academics, educators and commentators as well as the MSM, promulgate false and ridiculous ideas about consciousness arising from random chemical reactions. This also enables Talmudists et al to contend that people on this small planet on the edge of the universe are the most, and probably the only, consciously intelligent beings in the Cosmos. LOL. Anyone still believing that sthick is gonna get a big surprise very soon.
Fay Voshell: Christians believe in the resurrection of the body, which is to become like Christ's body, glorified and made to dwell eternally in Heaven.
Ron: This dogma is absurd when you innerstand that physical bodies are tempory, ie mortal physical manifestations used to house immortal souls and spirits during their myriad incarnations in the materium. Moreover, neither CM nor Esu Immanual Kumara, the spirits that overshadowed the body of Esu, (aka Christ Jesus) during his incarnation, actually indwelt that body. Be aware also, that the term "Christ" is a title, it is not the name of a being. Accordingly this statement can only apply to adherents to the religion established by Pharisees and Roman emperors. It is not what Christ Jesus taught, does not reflect divine truth and is contrary to reality. Moreover, although HUmans are destined to live eternally, that existance is dynamic and presupposes continuous life and growth within the cosmos rather than a 'glorified' static state in 'Heaven'.
Fay Voshell: As the Lutheran confessions state, "God created us body and soul. The Son redeemed both body and soul with His blood. The Spirit sanctified both body and soul by the Gospel. And, on the Last Day, our bodies and souls shall be reunited to live immortal, imperishable lives in bliss forever."
Ron: I disagree, as discussed above. This dogma is not consonant with divine revelation.
Fay Voshell: Those confessions also reject attempts to annihilate human identity, also refusing "the teaching that the resurrection should be conceived in such a way as to exclude the body (in effect the Gnostic heresy that matter is essentially evil and that only the 'spirit' is capable of being saved)."
Ron: The body is not evil BUT only spirit is immortal. Moreover, it is possible for a spirit to choose to reject the Creator and hence cease to exist. THAT is the necessarily implied in the Creator's gift of free will to spirits. For instance Lucifer was recently adjudicated and rejected his rehabilitation process and sought uncreation.