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Human/Animal Rights Last Updated: May 18th, 2008 - 23:55:45


The Government Controls the Church, There is NO Separation between Church and State
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May 19, 2008, 09:26

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The Government Controls the Church

There is no Separation
Between the Church and the State

It's a Myth, It's Judicial Tyranny

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1. God and his Church are forbidden to marry couples without government permission.
2. The Church minister is not allowed to marry couples without permission from government. Churches do not allow their ministers to marry people without permission from government. The minister must obtain a 'permit document' from government first.
3. Anyone the government designates and approves can 'marry' couples.
4. In addition to letters, signatures and other proof, in Virginia the church minister must swear an oath in front of government representative  before he can obtain a 'permit' to perform a marriage in a Church.
5. Couples must obtain a 'marriage license' before the minister or anyone else is allowed to marry them.  In Virginia the license costs $33.00, cash only. The celebrants are required by government to furnish and prove social security numbers, for government tracking before the government approved license is issued.
6.

Under government law, the church minister becomes a 'special agent of government' when he is granted by government a permit to marry people and when he signs the marriage document for the married couple he signs as a representative of government.  Immediately the married couples tax status changes. If he were only performing as a church minister their tax status wouldn't change.  He does not perform the first ceremony acting as a church minister, he performs the ceremony as agent of government.  If he is a minister agent of church, and a minister acting as an agent of government, where is the "separation?"

The Church Minister, employed by the Church is indeed a single active human representative of a trinity, the Church, God and  Government, all three in one human.  Clearly, all three agencies are represented combined, three entities become one, not separated.

7. If it were not so, the tax status of the married couple would not change as a result of his marriage ceremony and signature of the minister - but it does.  Both Federal and State Tax status is changed when the minister / agent of government signs the marriage document.
8. When the minister recites the verbal commitments and the couple agree to them during the ceremony, that becomes part of the legal contract but is never recorded as a document, probably because no one thought to do it.  
9. No one knows the legal terms of the marriage contract before the fact, but we know the marriage contract is with the judicial government, not necessarily between the two people. Without the government marriage license the judge and court would have no jurisdiction over the people or their property.
10. We see the vehicle document that transforms the minister into an agent of government but we do not see a document that removes that obligation from the minister. He surely continues to be an agent of government under the law.
11. The Tax status of the Church property is determined by the government.
12. The Tax status of the Church money is determined by the government. The Government can shut the Church down by changing its Tax status.  In some states speaking against the government is forbidden.  
13. Labor of Church employees is taxed by government.
14. The occupancy of the Church building is government controlled and regulated.
15. Church pays a government tax on utilities.
16.
Many Churches have two ceremonies - a civil government ceremony and a church ceremony.  But clearly, all Churches are required to  have the civil government ceremony first.
17. Most States have forms of laws called 'Doctrine of Necessaries.' These laws allow hospitals to confiscate spousal property through the marriage contract even though the other spouse never owned the property.  Thousands of houses are confiscated from people every year as a result of the government marriage contract document. Hospitals place liens on property at court houses and let the interest run for years - then they take the property.  People are always surprised. The risk and odds get greater the older people become.
18.

All States are generally the same legally with some variations. Until recently in Virginia churches were not companies, churches were not corporations, and after five years of research we are not able in many cases to answer the question, "What is a church under the law in Virginia." We queried churches, the governor's office, Virginia Department of Taxation, State Corporation Commission, the Virginia Attorney General's Office, the Virginia Senate and other state and federal agencies. They all said, "We don't know." The best answer came from the legal department of the Virginia State Corporation Commission, "It's always been a nebulous thing."

For years churches in Virginia were forbidden by law from being corporations. Recently, Jerry Falwell Ministries sued the State of Virginia and won. Now churches are allowed to structure and register as corporations with a non-profit tax status. They are under the government corporation umbrella. Most churches in the United States are now corporations controlled by government.

19. After six years of research into this matter, I know, there is no separation between church and government, they are almost one. The Government controls every aspect of the Church and people completely.

http://worldnews2005.tripod.com/id2.html    Very interesting website to bookmark for opinion pieces.

 

Candace: I started back when I was writing for Lewis News to cover this topic of government control through religion of marriage, and somehow I lost an entire notebook of notes on various pieces I was working up. So I am just glad to see this today, I had forgotten this topic. Churches are totally corporations serving US CORP and not you the people. Churches, according to tax code don't even need to get a 501c3, nor do schools, but they do, as "proof" to their congregations that donations are tax deductible. And the minute they sign that paper, they have just joined CORP USA and come under their control. This is true of any 501c3 organization.

I do believe in recording the names of parents of children in some way for the protection of the children, because when people co create a child, they are responsible for that child, as this is a planet with lots of irresponsible people. Simple recording. But I have always believed it was wrong to make one partner of marriage pay for the misdeeds or other legal obligations of the other that were not a joint undertaking.

I had a sister in law who when she was young and raising her two boys, having to take 3 jobs in order to pay off her ex husbands debt, and her name was NOT on any of the credit cards and other debt he ran up while they were married. He ran up a lot of debt after he moved out. The debt was not for things she purchased or were purchased for her benefit, it was all his "stuff."  He never paid child support, and she was still stuck with his bills long after the divorce. This is wrong. And all the more reason we need to get off of money, again, we are attached to and believe in, that pretty pieces of paper, coins, and digital credits control and limit who we are.

. Also the fees paid, which was part of my original notes are high and are merely a form of taxation to support unneeded government entities. You pay money to the state generally for the license, and you pay money to the minister, and marriage has become a business activity that employs a lot of people. You can't get married without a government employee, whether a minister, or a Justice of the Peace, or a lawyer granted these rights being in attendance.

My own daughter, who wished to avoid a church wedding entirely, still had to have a lawyer Justice of the Peace "marry" her and her husband. This guys was fairly cheap, only $100. Marriage is a contract between the man and the woman, and should not require a "legal" person to be in attendance of the ceremony itself, if a ceremony is desired in the first place. She and her husband could not sign that contract without the official, and the official had to be present and say the ceremony, that was LAW. Not just present as a witness, he had to conduct the ceremony.

 And people just accept this without even asking, as did I back when I married. I will never legally marry again. I am past child bearing age, and any contract between me and another will remain our personal and private business, and I will not have the other legally responsible for any actions I choose to take. I will keep my property separate, no shared names, no one to go after legally. This is not a "trust" in the other issue, it is common sense, completely.

Any more now, if you live together, and do something legal as "married"  you are considered a common law marriage. That means buying health insurance together, car insurance together and the like. That marries you in the eyes of Colorado, at least. If you choose to file a joint tax return, yep that marries you too.

When I was taking an income tax course from H & R Block, we were informed to try deligently to determine is a person claiming kids was married or not, as H & R Block doesn't have the ability to marry people and get in trouble is they attempt to do so, because if couple come in to file a joint return, and they haven't used the government rules to make their relationship "legal" then H&R Block can be in trouble for "marrying" them.

 

I did taxes for a client once, and he wanted to file married, even though not legally married, but they had a kid together et all, and I couldn't do it, I could have been in trouble for marrying someone without a license to do so!!!! If a couple files a joint return, they have announced their marriage. And it takes a legal divorce once you do this.

I kid you not on this. This couple was ahead to not marry anyway, because if she took the kid as her dependent, then her earnings allowed her to claim EIC (earned income credit) and these people were ahead tax wise, even with him, being higher income, filed as single! Plus both get the standard deduction and the like.   So goes the money games,  marriage, and income tax. I did advise them to not buy joint insurance etc, as a family as they would then be considered married under Colorado Law, and then subject to laws around such.



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