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Political Information Last Updated: Feb 20, 2020 - 8:37:27 AM


Dresden was a civilian town with no military significance. Why did we burn its people?
By Johanna Ross with comments by Ron
Feb 20, 2020 - 6:35:15 AM

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If there was no good strategic reason for it, then not even the passage of time can make it right

Today marks the 70th anniversary of “Operation Thunderclap”, one of the twentieth century’s most controversial military actions.

From 13 to 15 February 1945, British (and some American) heavy bombers dropped 2,400 tons of high explosives and 1,500 tons of incendiary bombs onto the ancient cathedral city of Dresden. In just a few hours, around 25,000 to 35,000 civilians were blown up or incinerated.

[Ron: this author's claim that only 25,000 to 35,000 civilians were blown up and incinerated in Dresden from 13 to 15 February 1945 is propaganda, a bare faced LIE, sheer bullshit! Dresden was full of refugees on the night in question and probably 500,000 German civilians were holocausted by the Jew led (Churchill, Eisenhower and Roosevelt) British and American air forces on that night and the following day when the RAF and USAF went back to bomb and strafe survivors on the river bank. See eg: A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945 - http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/A-Real-Holocaust-Dresden-13-February-1945.shtml

Dresden – The Real Holocaust - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Dresden-The-Real-Holocaust.shtml

The WWII Dresden Holocaust - 'A Single Column of Flame': http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-WWII-Dresden-Holocaust---A-Single-Column-Of-Flame.shtml

Churchill And Hitler...And History. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Churchill-And-Hitler-And-History.shtml


The bombing of Dresden even dwarfed the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and so the Allies and their Jewish controllers had to cover up the truth as it was by far the biggest and most barbaric war crime and crime against humanity of WWII. Accordingly the allies and the Jew controlled Western MSM and academia have grossly down played the death toll. Moreover, they have steadily reducing the toll over the years to what they hope is a manageable PR total. BUT evan at 25,000 IT ISN'T!
Attempts to explain and justify the fire bombing of Dresden as necessary are risible. See eg: Dresden Terror Bombing, Like Hiroshima, A Maniacial  Warning To Moscow -
But they pale into insignificance compared to the vicious Holocaust  Blood Libel and demonisation of the entire German nation promulgated by Churchill and his Jewish controllers in their attempts to justify the fire bombing of the civilian populations of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and a total of 60 German cities during WWII. See eg: The pilots of Bomber Command cannot be called heroes -
- http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-pilots-of-Bomber-Command-cannot-be-called-heroes.shtml
The Allies had to demonise the German nation to conceal the fact that they instigated WWII and their far greater crimes than those of the German nation during the war.].

Victor Gregg, a British para captured at Arnhem, was a prisoner of war in Dresden that night who was ordered to help with the clear up. In a 2014 BBC interview he recalled the hunt for survivors after the apocalyptic firestorm. In one incident, it took his team seven hours to get into a 1,000-person air-raid shelter in the Altstadt. Once inside, they found no survivors or corpses: just a green-brown liquid with bones sticking out of it. The cowering people had all melted. In areas further from the town centre there were legions of adults shrivelled to three feet in length. Children under the age of three had simply been vaporised.

It was not the first time a German city had been firebombed. “Operation Gomorrah” had seen Hamburg torched on 25 July the previous year. Nine thousand tons of explosives and incendiaries had flattened eight square miles of the city centre, and the resulting inferno had created an oxygen vacuum that whipped up a 150-mile-an-hour wind burning at 800 Celsius. The death toll was 37,000 people. (By comparison, the atom bomb in Nagasaki killed 40,000 on day one.)

[Ron: Arguably the kill count in Hamburg is an underestimate.].

Chief of the Air Staff Charles Portal had calculated that bombing civilians could kill 900,000 in 18 months, seriously injure a million more, destroy six million homes, and “de-house” 25 million, creating a humanitarian crisis that, he believed, would speed up the war.

[Ron: The Allies' civilian city bombings probably killed well over 2.5 million German civilians during WWII. This was probably where the US military developed its aptitude for the subsequent bombing of civilian populations in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and many other places. See eg: The Ethics of Bombing Civilians After World War II: The Persistence of Norms Against Targeting Civilians in the Korean War - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-Ethics-of-Bombing-Civilians-After-World-War-II-The-Persistence-of-Norms-Against-Targeting-Civilians-in-the-Korean-War.shtml

This thinking was not trumpeted from the rooftops. But in November 1941 the Commander-in-Chief of Bomber Command said he had been intentionally bombing civilians for a year. “I mention this because, for a long time, the Government, for excellent reasons, has preferred the world to think that we still held some scruples and attacked only what the humanitarians are pleased to call Military Targets. I can assure you, gentlemen, that we tolerate no scruples.”

The debate over this strategy of targeting civilians is still hotly contentious and emotional, in Britain and abroad. There is no doubting the bravery, sacrifice, and suffering of the young men who flew the extraordinarily dangerous missions: 55,573 out of Bomber Command’s 125,000 flyers never came home. The airmen even nicknamed their Commander-in-Chief “Butcher” Harris, highlighting his scant regard for their survival.

 

Supporters of Britain’s “area bombing” (targeting civilians instead of military or industrial sites) maintain that it was a vital part of the war. Churchill wrote that he wanted “absolutely devastating, exterminating attacks by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland”. In another letter he called it “terror bombing”. His aim was to demoralise the Germans to catalyse regime change. Research suggests that the soaring homelessness levels and family break ups did indeed depress civilian morale, but there is no evidence it helped anyone prise Hitler’s cold hand off the wheel.

Others maintain that it was ghastly, but Hitler started it so needed to be answered in a language he understood. Unfortunately, records show that the first intentional “area bombing” of civilians in the Second World War took place at Monchengladbach on 11 May 1940 and four months before the Luftwaffe began its Blitz of British cities. [Ron: See eg The pilots of Bomber Command cannot be called heroes - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-pilots-of-Bomber-Command-cannot-be-called-heroes.shtml

Not everyone was convinced by city bombing. Numerous military and church leaders voiced strong opposition. Freemason Dyson, now one of Britain’s most eminent physicists, worked at Bomber Command from 1943-5. He said it eroded his moral beliefs until he had no moral position at all. He wanted to write about it, but then found the American novelist Kurt Vonnegut had said everything he wanted to say.

Like Gregg, Vonnegut had been a prisoner in Dresden that night. He claimed that only one person in the world derived any benefit from the slaughterhouse — him, because he wrote a famous book about it which pays him two or three dollars for every person killed.

Germany’s bombing of British cities was equally abhorrent. [Ron: Really?!?] Germany dropped 35,000 tons on Britain over eight months in 1940-1 killing an estimated 39,000. (In total, the UK and US dropped around 1.9 million tons on Germany over 7 years.)

Bombing German cities clearly did have an impact on the war. The question, though, is how much. The post-war US Bombing Survey estimated that the effect of all allied city bombing probably depleted the German economy by no more than 2.7 per cent.

Allowing for differences of opinion on the efficacy or necessity of “area bombing” in the days when the war’s outcome remained uncertain (arguably until Stalingrad in February 1943), the key question on today’s anniversary remains whether the bombing of Dresden in February 1945 was militarily necessary — because by then the war was definitely over. Hitler was already in his bunker playing out his final absurd fantasies. The British and Americans were at the German border after winning D-Day the previous summer, while the Russians under Zhukov and Konev were well inside eastern Germany and racing pell-mell to Berlin.

Dresden was a civilian town without military significance. It had no material role of any sort to play in the closing months of the war. So, what strategic purpose did burning its men, women, old people, and children serve? Churchill himself later wrote that “the destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing”.

Seventy years on, fewer people ask precisely which military objective justified the hell unleashed on Dresden. If there was no good strategic reason for it, then not even the passage of time can make it right, and the questions it poses remain as difficult as ever in a world in which civilians have continued to suffer unspeakably in the wars of their autocratic leaders.

[Ron: the questions posed by US bombing of civilian populations back to the Stone Age in almost defenceless countries ARE NOT DIFFICULT! They are obvious as are the answers. Pretending otherwise is either gross ignorance or hypocritical cowadice, and PART OF THE PROBLEM, not the solution.].

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RELATED ARTICLES:

A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945 - http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/A-Real-Holocaust-Dresden-13-February-1945.shtml

Dresden – The Real Holocaust - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Dresden-The-Real-Holocaust.shtml

The WWII Dresden Holocaust - 'A Single Column of Flame': http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-WWII-Dresden-Holocaust---A-Single-Column-Of-Flame.shtml

Churchill And Hitler...And History. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Churchill-And-Hitler-And-History.shtml


The Ethics of Bombing Civilians After World War II: The Persistence of Norms Against Targeting Civilians in the Korean War - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-Ethics-of-Bombing-Civilians-After-World-War-II-The-Persistence-of-Norms-Against-Targeting-Civilians-in-the-Korean-War.shtml

 




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