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Changing The Face Of Religion : Other Spiritual Pieces Last Updated: Nov 5, 2019 - 9:54:40 PM


Life After Death: A Debate
By Arch Stanton & Saki' with comments by Ron
Nov 7, 2019 - 10:12:46 PM

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Consisting of comments made by two talented writers with a special interest in the philosophy of religion, Arch Stanton and ‘Saki'. This discussion arose in response to a poem written by the great Victorian poet Christina Rossetti who spent much of her life longing for heaven. Readers are invited to share with us their experiences of the afterlife, if they have had any, or if they know someone else who claims to have had contact with the dead.

"If the sun and moon should ever doubt,
they'd immediately go out." - William Blake


SAKI:  Christina Rossetti is arguably the best female poet ever. She is certainly among the the most mystical poets writing in the English language, utterly steeped in Christian mysticism and drawing heavily on Plato and Dante as her main influences.

The exquisite poem above (see here with accompanying video) touches on the universal themes of love and death, the two themes that interested Christina most, and which form the basis of the best lyrical poems in the English language.

Christina fell passionately in love like other women, but rejected all her suitors on religious grounds. She remained a reclusive spinster all her life, living under the shadow of her elder brother, Dante Gabriel Rossetti, founder of the pre-Raphaelite art movement and himself a brilliant poet as well as painter. The portrait of Christina which you see here was painted by her talented brother.

ARCH STANTON (a gifted American writer and political dissident) : One of the most chillingly sad poems I have read. I cannot decide if I am chilled, sad or both. We have a tendency to either forget, or ignore, the fact that all things pass away, making this life one of illusion. It is the youthful delusion of immortality that makes the world the way it is. If man had the image of death constantly visible by his side from birth, the world would be a much different place. Thus, I have long surrounded myself with images of death, lest I forget the outcome of my journey here.

SAKI (to Arch Stanton) : I respect you as a person and enjoy reading your brilliant comments, but please note the following points:

There's no proof that there's NO AFTERLIFE, as you glibly assume, so it is NOT a "youthful delusion" to believe in immortality. How can you prove there's no afterlife since you would first need to die to find out? And if you were right about death being the final chapter, how could you ever enjoy the satisfaction of knowing you were right?

ARCH STANTON:  My Dear Saki, you misunderstand my comment and have made mistaken assumptions about my character. My reference to the youthful delusion of immortality refers to the belief we all have in our youth that we are invincible, that "it will never happen to me."  Young males are especially afflicted with this idea, one that invariably remains until they are either involved in combat or some other truly life threatening experience where they are confronted with death, or old age finally confronts them with their frail mortality. Until that point, death is something that happens to someone else.

SAKI: Christina Rossetti was no deluded youngster when she longed for heaven, a heaven she believed in passionately all her life. She died at the age of 64 still longing for heaven, preferring it to life on earth. You are really in no position to assume that your skepticism - no god, no afterlife - is a proven fact. A scientific fact. It is simply an opinion, a doubt rooted in existential angst which is a product of your personal psychology.

ARCH STANTON:  You make the assumption that I hate.  I do not. For example, I most certainly do not hate Jewish movies. There are good Hollywood movies and there are bad ones, with the bad far outweighing the good. The fact is, I even enjoy some of the bad Hollywood movies Jews make. What's more, these movies provide valuable insight into the Jewish mind.

I am not anti-god, Saki.  I am anti-religion.

SAKI:  And you, Arch Stanton, assume falsely that those who believe fervently in God and in an afterlife have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by religion. Consider the possibility that YOU are the brainwashed one, indoctrinated by decades of liberal existentialism and Frankfurt School Cultural Marxism that is in the very air we breathe - as an "ideological pollutant". A toxic influence we must do all we can to resist.

Every movie you see, produced by the Jews you have told us so often you hate, has helped to form your mind and character and inculcate the godless values of the Jews you despise. Only, dear Arch,  you are unable to see this!  That it's YOU who are a victim of the age's promoted godlessness and existential despair. Not the people who believe in higher things because they have experienced them personally in mystical experiences called "epiphanies", i.e. in "born-again" experiences such as form the basic of William James' great classic, "The Varieties of Religious experience".

ARCH STANTON: The Sufis say, "God is closer than your jugular". It's the priest that do not want you to find that out.

LASHA DARKMOON:  (commenting aside) : No, it is Allah himself who says this in the Qur'an, and the Sufis simply agree with him. (Qur'an 50:16). So how can the "priest", as you state, be trying to prevent you from finding this out if Allah himself has told you this in the Qur'an through his prophet Mohammed? (Qur'an 50:16).

The Persian mystical poet Rumi, another "priest" of Islam, is repeating in different words what Allah says in the Qur'an: "I am nearer to you than yourself to yourself. (See here). So it's false to state that "priests" are deliberately falsifying great religious truths. Bad priests, yes, but not good ones. Remember the sheep have good shepherds as well as bad ones.

 

ARCH STANTON: When it comes to "god," I eschew the term. "God" for me is a Jewish god, a wrathful, judgmental, murderously vindictive parental figure that rewards one when one is  good and punishes one when one is bad. How childishly absurd to think the intelligence behind the universal design and creation would be a figure that small in stature!God bless you!

SAKI:  It may interest you to know, dear Arch, that the greatest minds of the ages-scientists, philosophers, musicians, mathematicians-have believed strongly in God and in an afterlife, based on PERSONAL EPIPHANIES (mystical experiences) or CONTACT with the divine or the paranormal. The co-founder of the Theory of Evolution, Alfred Russel Wallace, believed strongly in a Designer God. His special brand of Darwinism is known as "teleological Darwinism", i.e., that a Designer God made the universe and did so with a set PURPOSE. He called this Designer God the "Higher Intelligence". Read this:

Wallace's ‘Higher Intelligence' was not the Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator/Saviour God of the Bible, but some unidentified and unspecified ‘superior intelligence/power'. Wallace had become involved with spiritism and believed that departed souls could communicate through mediums with people living on Earth. In later life he ardently attended séances, where he believed he received messages from dead relatives."

ARCH STANTON: You must have missed my many comments concerning the "Beloved," intelligent design and the Sufis.

As I have written previously, if you are looking for proof of intelligent design, all you have to do is walk out of your front door and take a look at the intelligent life surrounding you.

As for the after life . . . There are countless stories throughout history, throughout all cultures, about the continual return to this life. I myself have experienced dim memories of my past existence that served to explain, and resolve, a number of mysteries in this life. I do not believe in an afterlife. In fact I do not believe anything. I simply have no faith in belief. Instead, I examine the evidence and shave daily with Occam's razor.

The idea of a repeated return to this life to work out one's "karma" was never something I wanted to discover. In fact, I set out to find the opposite and was horrified by what I found. The information changed my life's path. Now I'm Br'er Rabbit, not relishing the thought of actually returning to this briar patch.

I am frequently amazed at how I misrepresent myself.

As for personal epiphanies, you should have been there when I had lunch with Jesus, where he said to me, "Arch old boy, I want you to tell the real story of my life and my mission. I want you to sweep away the cobwebs of magic and mysticism that religion has woven around my life. No one will listen and no one will believe it, but I want you to tell it anyway and let the chips fall where they may."

I stared in disbelief, asking, "Why me, Jesus? I'm nobody, I am nothing. I have no authority, no degrees or qualification that might bolster such a story. No one will listen to a nobody like me! I never cared about you or the religion they named after your assigned title. In fact I never really believed in you at all."

Jesus just smiled and replied:

"He that fails to believe in me shall not perish, but shall return repeatedly until he tells my story.  Let's just chalk it up to one of those "mysteries of God" which people are always talking about. you have been provided with all the talents required to tell my story. You have been given the information as well as the technical ability to write a publishable book. You are a wordsmith who has been given the gift of the written word, such as it is. And you sure didn't have that talent until I came along. So  get to work! I'll call on you in few decades to see how you are coming along with my story. Vaya con Díos, Arch! By the way, watch out for the branches on that withered fig tree on your way out.

SAKI:  Brilliant comment, dear Arch! I certainly misunderstood you. Go in peace, dear fellow traveller! and may you find solace and a safe inn at the end of your journey!

SISTER MONICA (moderator, to Arch Stanton) :  An excellent comment, Arch.  But why do you keep demanding proof for things that cannot be proved scientifically and that skeptics will always doubt.  Those who have had mystical experiences and witnessed paranormal events (e.g., poltergeist phenomena, out-of-body experiences (OBE), and near-death experiences (NDE), have no difficulties believing in an afterlife.

LD: Sister, as you know, I have no problems believing in an afterlife, having experienced the miraculous and the supernatural more than once. My own mother was cured of an incurable disease instantaneously and she had psychic experiences that left me in no doubt that life continued after death in one form or other. My own experience of poltergeist phenomena has made me a witness to events for which there can be no rational explanation and which are completely beyond the laws of nature. The only defence the sceptic has against these bizarre narratives is all too predictable: "You are lying!"

The Doubters will always be with us. The blind need to step into the sea to know the sea is there.

SAKI:  I'd be interested to know more about your mother's incurable disease and its sudden miraculous cure. Also about your poltergeist experiences. Can you provide some more specific details?

LD: I've no wish to discuss my poltergeist experience here for two reasons. Firstly, it's an isolated experience that occurred only recently and I haven't had time to assess it and figure out its ramifications yet; secondly, no one is likely to believe me, as there were no witnesses to the event apart from myself. To believe in the paranormal you need to experience the paranormal yourself. Hearing about someone else's experience at second hand is seldom convincing, especially if you don't know the person involved.

As for my mother's incurable disease and its miraculous cure, I've written about this at some length  in an article about P.D. Ouspensky, the famous disciple of Gurdjieff. Scroll down to my comment here- the long passage in bold font beginning with my initials (LD). I hope this will suffice for the time being.


(A follow-up article by Lasha Darkmoon about the evidence for life after death will be published on this website next week. Ed.)

[Ron: As I understand it, the cosmos is an expression of mind. Without mind nothing can exist. Mind energy radiates everywhere. It penetrates and permeates everything. In that sense everything has a level of consciousness. But although everything in Creation is manifested and sustained by Mind, not everything is a medium for thought manifestation.

The human body is a collection of energies that are the result of thought. Similarly, all human experiences in the physical are the result of thought and so our world is created by our thoughts and the thoughts of others. The aggregation of those thoughts also creates a morphogenetic planetary mind that influences us all.

Physical space and all beings only exist as a result of thought because thought is the genesis of everything. In effect we live in a mental landscape created by our spirits and that of others. Thoth puts it thus:

THOTH -

We will talk about those other things after but let us focus on the topic at hand…

Energy and Light.

You are aware that what you see before you is a projection of energy onto light particles…it is what you call a hologram…you have been reading about that recently and you have been guided to that information so that it will open your mind to the concepts and help you understand better so that you can impart …it also provided certain level activations consistent with the coming into such information...

 

Holographic expressions …are projections which are interpreted by the human body via what you think are your 5 senses…but you too, are a holographic expression that act as a walking, talking and breathing transmission device …I am sorry to be so cold in such a description...but in a nutshell that is what you are…where you reside is not where you think you do…you reside in the non-local parts of the creator’s world …you have a projection here for purposes of testing and learning. Very much like a probe of sorts...which allows the Grand Creator an opportunity to ‘sense’ what it is like to be in such a dimension.

Indeed it is the same throughout….when we say that we are ALL one…it means just that…you are many different aspects of the One...if you could wrap your mind around that, to borrow an expression from your culture…you would be able to appreciate the magnitude of this learning experience of which you are a sensitive part...sensitive in the sense that the Creator experiences through you through your senses, which you have so graciously given unto him/her.

 

Now, Energy in your world is made up of particles beyond what you can presently see...what you do see are reflections under certain conditions …reflections of these particles …they come in and out of the creative matrix... (Yes you may use those words)…the particles that come in and out of this matrix are sensitive to your thoughts and feelings…these particles are also fleeting. So that if enough intention is not generated then the particles void themselves before they can assume tangible form in your world….

This is in a nutshell the concept of creation…Therefore, the energy that abounds within and without is the ‘magic’ that is used to create…it is again formed of particles of Light which are invisible to the Human eye…but become visible when intent is strong and sustained…and because your world is a hologram, as the thoughts are held, they are projected from the non-local perspective into the void via the senses and take shape…but it is Light which causes the forms’ reflection back to you…Everything without is within…you have heard that many times….but let me remind you again…All the components for manifestation in your hologram is already stored within you… the you in the non-local position…therefore …

End 10:27am

1th July, 2007 4:32 Pm...

 

Thoth - I will re-start with conveying to you the different stages of the Human relationship to energy...

In the early days, before the Human developed technological abilities to effect change to his perception of the world, his response to his thoughts on how to change the physical characteristics of his environment, required him to employ physical and manual labour.

His next step as he thought of manipulating his environment, was to tie his physical labour with the labour of Animals to effect change in his world.

As his interface with his physical environment grew more complex and demanding, he effected change with a mix of manual and rudimentary mechanical energy.

As the Human evolved in awareness, he moved from physical to mechanical to electronic to robotic. Bear in mind this movement took hundreds of years in your time and there were many steps in between the four milestone steps outlined.

Now this is important to note…man effected change to the material universe utilizing methods which are rooted in Man’s LIMITED interpretation of his environment from a 3D perspective.

During his movements in development, Man was always granted hints and visions of potentials through the posting of specific information to certain individuals who came unto the planet for precisely that reason.

 

It would be what you refer to as ‘quantum leaps’ in consciousness – those junctures in time as you know it which separated one process of manipulating the physical environment from the other as in the case of moving from mechanical to electronic usage of energies to effect change within the physical environment.

This was specifically timed in the Human’s development process and even though it appeared as a normal graduation from one level to the other, upon closer inspection, one must realize that there was some influx of epic thought energy to propel the process forward.

You see the Human ‘had to THINK’ that he needed to do something better, faster and less arduous, to create the conditions for the influx of the ‘new knowledge’ to come to the fore of his consciousness. Remember the Human is a holographic extension, ‘sensing’ its way through the learning process of the third dimensional, physically dense learning environment.

As the Human comes into re-membering more and more of itself and what he truly is, more and more of his true consciousness comes to the fore...

 

So it is with Creation, ever growing and expanding in awareness.

 

The Human has now reached on the doorstep of moving from Robotic to aerodynamic knowledge as it relates to altering the environment.

Think about it AERO DYNAMIC or AERO DYNAMISM

Break it down to its smallest components AERO = AIR, DYNAMISM = FORCE.

This concept seeks to harness the power (DYNAMISM) of the unseen air (AERO). Put another way, it is a concept of using thought force to manipulate “The invisible energy” which surrounds, permeates and sustains everything that is in this Creation.

I am now asking that you take a ‘QUALITATIVE LEAP’ IN YOUR THINKING NOW!!!

 

Aero is of Air. Can you see air? NO, but you know it exists. It surrounds you, it flows through you, it permeates everything that you know. The densest of material that you know, at the atomic levels and tinier than that, is comprised of emptiness, which is air.

You know it can be felt as the wind, it can be sensed as an aroma or as heat or as cold, you know that it moves and can reduce to mere particles of dust, anything that stands in its way.

“AIR” is static and magnetic energy which contains Light Packets of data that is responsible for reflecting back to you, your sustained thoughts as it takes shape in your holographic world.

 

Air is intelligent and responds to WILL, The Will of the Creator of which you carry a Divine God Code by virtue of being an extension of Creator in the Holographic world.

What is DYNAMISM – the speed or velocity of energy, THE FORCE. You have heard of this term already in reading and in your entertainment. You combine Air with force and you have aero-dynamic energy.

Why have I gone through this much explanation? It is because the extensions of Creator are now beginning to realize that there is a need to move from robotic to aero-dynamic energy to effect quantum change. To do this, requires a LEAP in consciousness to embark on this path.


You are now preparing to effect that change by utilizing the power of the mind via thought processing, to ‘manipulate’ the energetic light data particles that surround you as AIR to produce FORM in your 3D world. Are you prepared for this? Are you excited by the prospect of what is before you? It requires a RADICAL SHIFT from WHAT YOU KNOW and HOW YOU DID THINGS BEFORE, Can you rise to the challenge? It is what You ALL came here to do, again….

 

A word of caution at this point, your physical bodies are adapting to enhance the thought processes that are being configured to facilitate this RADICAL SHIFT IN THINKING.


This process has, in the past, appeared to those less informed, as MAGIC.

There are those who knew this Higher form of ‘Science’, for indeed, this IS highly scientific, as can be attested to by some of your quantum physicists, who are bearing this out in rudimentary research.

 

Some of those, who knew of this, used it against the best interests of Humankind.

As those who were involved in those practices further devolved into Service to Self behaviours, this scientific knowledge was used to engender class divisions, cult worship, enslavement of the mass majority and warfare which ended in destruction.

 

You are being ‘purged’ of all the shadow elements which you acquired on your various sojourns to this density and dimension, as you grounded your energies for purposes of interacting in this time/space, in fulfillment of your Divine purposes.

 

In the process of ‘grounding,’ you ‘took on’ bits and pieces of those energies that had proven not to be in the best interest of the ALL. This was a natural process in the grounding experience, as you adapted to the LEARNING MISSION.


Your holographic expressions are being purged of these energies. As more Light energies fill your expressions that have been purged of these pockets of random shadow energies, you begin to open up your memory banks to re-member WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

 

When Light energy fills the Human expressions of Creator, a natural downloading of Light packet data takes place. This in turn activates your imbedded SOLAR cells (Yes, Solar cells) and further activates your memory codes and you start to remember, slowly at first, but as your expression is ’purged’ even more and as more Light particles fill the areas which formally contained the purged energies, the sheer magnitude of the incoming Light particles, the proximity to already established Light particles in the human expression and the natural sympathetic behaviours that are expressed between these Light particles force an ignition and illumination of the Human expression, which causes a QUALITATIVE LEAP in the Human’s knowingness of its oneness with CREATIONthe memory comes back on-line in a much improved capacity than before.

Ref: Energy and Light - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Leonette_112/Energy_and_Light_3034.shtml

Although we interact daily with the physical world we live in our thoughts, our minds, our own mental space. Our external world is essentially a manifestation and medium for the expression of our inner, mental world. So, as we think we become, because we live in our own unique mental landscape shaped by our own perceptions and understandings. But our mental landscape is not a closed isolated system. Expressions of the thoughts of others that are allowed to enter our mental world can and do help to shape its manifestation. The degree of that shaping depends on the extent of our awareness and conscious choices. Our thoughts are also influenced by the global genetic mind that has developed over aeons; and the thoughts of those around us.

However, as Thoth indicates, because of our ever growing and expanding awareness, ensouled humans are on the brink of taking a qualitative leap in thinking that will lead to discovering the components for manifestation stored within our hologram. This will result in a quantum leap in consciousness.

Not everything can think. Rocks, trees, schrubs and flowers etc have an element of consciousness but arguably they do not think. In order to think a thing has to have a dynamic connection to the mind of the Creator so that it can receive and interpret the conscious energies coming from the Creator. Animals have varying degrees of consciousness depending on their level of energetic physical development. Some higher animals like elephants, whales and dolphins can develop the consciousness levels attainable by humans.

Ensouled human beings have “brain receptors” in the head, heart and gut which are capable of interpreting signals coming from their indwelling fragment of Creator consciousness and other spirit beings.

The quality of mind exhibited by a human is generally influenced by the degree of active DNA connections the individual has because DNA serves as a connecting bridge between the level of physical existence and the non-local level of Mind.

But higher DNA connection levels are no guarantee of right thinking and positive thought manifestation. Why? Because humans have been gifted with free will, namely the ability to choose or reject Creation and the gift of eternal life. The exercise of free will enables us to make inappropriate choices which is what causes the misery and chaos evident in our world. Presumably most inappropriate choices are mistakes due to ignorance and that is why humans need myriad incarnations to eventually understand the truth about life, the universe and everything so that they can begin to ‘fly right’.

However, free will also enables humans to choose to reject the Creator’s gift of eternal life and some do.].

 

[Colour fonts, bolding and comments in square brackets added.].

 

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Groundbreaking Russian DNA Discoveries. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environment_Science_69/Groundbreaking-Russian-DNA-Discoveries.shtml

Russian DNA Discoveries: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Health_and_Nutrition_37/Russian_DNA_Discoveries_4097.shtml

The Universe as a Hologram. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environment_Science_69/The-Universe-as-a-Hologram.shtml

The Brain, Perception and the Holographic Universe. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environment_Science_69/The-Brain-Perception-and-the-Holographic-Universe.shtml

The Science of Miracles (Repost). See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Other_Spiritual_Pieces_68/The-Science-of-Miracles-Repost.shtml

The Nature of Reality, Consciousness & Evolution with Tom Campbell Parts 1-3. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Other_Spiritual_Pieces_68/The-Nature-of-Reality-Consciousness-Evolution-with-Tom-Campbell-Parts-1-3.shtml

The Evolution Of Soul And Nervous System. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Changing_The_Face_Of_Religion_20/The_Evolution_Of_Soul_And_Nervous_System_4287.shtml

Spiritless Humans. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Spiritual_64/Spiritless_Humans_3973.shtml

Light of eternity: Regeneration, Rejuvenation, Immortality. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environment_Science_69/Light-of-eternity-Regeneration-Rejuvenation-Immortality.shtml

The Apotheosis Project. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Other_Spiritual_Pieces_68/The_Apotheosis_Project_3218.shtml

The Energetic Heart: Its Purpose in Human Destiny. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Other_Spiritual_Pieces_68/The_Energetic_Heart_Its_Purpose_in_Human_Destiny_614.shtml

Question from AHS on DNA. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Candace_7/Question-from-AHS-on-DNA.shtml

Ascending Into a Regenerative Biological System. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/By_Others_28/Ascending-Into-a-Regenerative-Biological-System.shtml

Alert: New Vaccines will Permanently Alter your DNA. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Health_and_Nutrition_37/Alert-New-Vaccines-will-Permanently-Alter-your-DNA.shtml

 




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