Adam Garrie: Today, many find it objectionable that one should work with, speak beside or even casually associate with one who has different points of view. This idea of guilt by association was one of the ways in which fascist regimes of the 20th century persecuted free thinking people who wished to associate with any and all people due to a shared humanity.
Ron: WHY, in this context, do commentators never mention that Bolsheviks didn't bother with "persecuting free thinking people", or indeed any gentile with an IQ sufficient to potentially question their murderous ideology, but simply tortured and murdered tens of millions of Christians on the spot.
Adam Garrie: But in today's west, so-called liberals seek to censor and "de-platform" anyone who associates with those that are disapproved of by the majority of liberals.
Ron: Let's be specific, "so-called liberals" are in fact cultural Marxists, ie conscious or sub-conscious Bolsheviks. Accordingly their end goal is the same as that of the Bolsheviks who murdered 66 million Christian Russians and, in all, killed some 100 million Christians in Russia, the Ukraine, Poland Germany and Eastern Europe between 1917 and 1957. Anglo-USans and Europeans can expect the same fate in due course if they don't wise up and pull their finger out very soon.
Adam Garrie: This is mob rule rather than democracy
Ron: Get it right or leave it alone! "democracy" IS mob rule! However, as with the Talmudist organised and funded so-called "French and Russian Revolutions", democracies are organised, funded and hence manipulated and controlled, by Fascist oligarchs aka Talmudists.
Adam Garrie: ...and when governments take the position of supporting the mob rather than the position of liberty, they are acting in a manner consistent with totalitarian regimes, including those advancing the cause of fascism.
[Ron: "governments" don't "take a position". They are mere corporations who are told what to do by covert oligarchic controllers. In any event, legitimate governments should simply execute the instructions of electors NOT "take positions"! Moreover, governments invariably demand and take the exclusive right to exercise FORCE and VIOLENCE. THAT IS totalitarian fascism. For instance, governments typically levy taxes on income obtained by the personal exertions of citizens and penalise those who resist such demands. Levying income taxes on the personal earnings of sovereign human beings is contrary to cosmic (divine) law, ie it is intrinsically unlawful and government made laws cannot justify doing that.
Adam Garrie: But it is not just the radical liberals destroying traditions of freedom and multilateral thinking. In the United States, some on the right are celebrating the passage of recent state laws banning most types of abortion. Yet many of these same people would be highly upset if the same government powers used to ban abortion were used to ban the right to bear arms.
Ron: As intimated above, legitimate governments should protect the lives and welfare of humans within their community. Unborn children are humans from the moment of conception.
Adam Garrie: This zero-sum mentality has blinded people to the fact that it is easy to support powerful and invasive government when those in charge agree with one's personal views. But the next day, month or year, someone else will be in charge and they will represent one's ideological antithesis. And yet, the new regime will be stuck with the same strong powers that one allowed his or her allies to exercise as part of the old regime.
Ron: This is lower consciousness thinking. Himan beings are sovereign fragments of the Creator. As such each individual is "in charge" of self and NOONE else. IF humans on this planet are to evolve, such servile, dependent thinking needs to be overcome. No progress can be made in human governance until communities stop indulging in such zero sum thinking, and start understanding that the legitimate interests and needs of all community members must be considered and met, wherever possible.
Adam Garrie: In a truly free society, there would be nothing classed by government officials as "hate speech" as this implies that there are universal notions of that which is hateful. History shows that such thinking is not only crude and vulgar but incredibly dangerous and ultimately intolerant. Instead, people could decide for themselves what kind of speech they find loving or hateful and react accordingly in a peaceful way.
Ron: A truly free society is one in which members are not "other directed" and relying on "government officials" for their views. Truly spiritually mature HUmans are "inner directed" and rely on their in-dwelling Creator consciousness to guide their moral compass.
Adam Garrie: Likewise in a truly free society, government would neither have the powers to ban abortion nor to ban guns. Both would be naturally regulated by the private sector.
Ron: WTF?! In our world government ARE "the private sector"! Government like the US Inc and the Commonwealth of Australia are privately owned corporations and the "officials" employed by them are covertly controlled and directed by the owners of their respective corporations.See eg: The USA Isn’t a Country, It’s a Corporation! - http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/The-USA-Isn-t-a-Country-It-s-a-Corporation.shtml
The Bankruptcy of The United States. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/The-Bankruptcy-of-The-United-States_printer.shtml
For example, US Supreme Court Justices usurp the rights of Congress and the President under the US Constitution. Similarly, Australia's ostensible Constitution is merely part of an Imperial UK statute which can legally be changed at any time by the UK Parliament* which is itself covertly controlled by the City of London Corporation. If that were not the case, the UK Parliament would have implemented the BREXIT Referendum result years ago.
* See eg:Corporations Masquerading as Government in Australia & World Wide. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Corporations-Masquerading-as-Government-in-Australia-World-Wide.shtml
Australia and New Zealand governments illegitimate - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Ron_71/Australia-and-New-Zealand-governments-illegitimate.shtml
Australia: The Concealed Colony. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Australia-The-Concealed-Colony.shtml
1973: The Birth of Corporate Australia. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/1973-The-Birth-of-Corporate-Australia_printer.shtml
Does anyone really think that voting for a single member of Parliament, Congress or the Presidency once every two, three, four or more years constitutes FREEDOM and self governance? And does any rational individual think that voting for a person who openly acknowledges his/her allegiance to a PARTY and its platform can and will deliver what s/he has promised to deliver to a local electorate? AND even if some elected politician does genuinely seek to implement their electorate's instructions WHAT chance does that ONE elected member have of such implementation if those who fund the Party want otherwise?
To be effective, politics must be, LOCAL. Communities must formulate and implement all decisions about local affairs. Centralisation leads to corruption and failure to heed the needs and desires of the general population. For instance, if a central government uses tax moneys to fund abortion clinics and LGBTQ+ ideological indoctrination in schools and libraries, local communities and parents cease to have a meaningful say about those issues.
Adam Garrie: Extremely powerful individuals or groups of private individuals with a great deal of power over society are just as dangerous as big government and therefore it is perfectly logical to want sensible regulations against any supreme concentration of power - whether in the public or private sectors.
Ron: Yabba, yabba, incoherent rhetoric yabba. Big government is the creature of private individuals and their corporations. Moreover, government regulations ARE a supreme concentration of power in themselves.
Adam Garrie: Finally, while it is perfectly correct for governments to provide healthcare, basic welfare, infrastructure and security for the people, [Ron: I disagree if there is an implication that a central government that may be hundreds or even thousands of kilometres away from relevant communities should be responsible for provision of local helthcare and basic welfare, infrastructure and security. Such matters should be decided, organised, funded and, where possible provided by local and district community members and their organisations.] it is completely wrong for government to legislate about what people can say, think or do beyond merely enforcing the peace. [Ron: Local communities should be responsible for arranging appropriate mechanisms and staffing for keeping the peace in their own communities.
Adam Garrie: Likewise, as the beneficiaries of tax revenue, governments must also ensure that private entities do not begin to act like big governments themselves as this too is a danger to a free and enlightened society.
Ron: Yabba, yabba, platitudinous rhetoric yabba! Central governments should only levy tariffs on imported goods and perhaps a tax of, say 14%, on purchases of NEW luxury (ie inessential) items. That will drastically curtail their ambitions and expenditures. Local, district and regional communities should be responsible for raisng funds and organising labour and resources for projects and services required by their member populations. Centralisation is NOT cheaper or more efficient. In fact central governance and bureaucratic arrangements usually absorb some 15% to 20% of taxation receipts before anything is achieved. Local, district or regional governance organisers whose work is not freely given should receive such compensation and expenses as their respective community organisation(s) agree upon. Such arrangements can reduce bureaucratic waste and corruption as local communities can more easily audit and oversight expenditures and their results whereas that is impossible with large centralised bureucracies.
Adam Garrie: Only someone with the mind of a child believes that there is one great truth that all of the world must submit to. Such thinking has led to every major genocide in world history from the Crusades to Pol Pot's Killing Fields.
Ron: This statement is naive misinformation or worse. The Venitian Black Nobility in the Empire of Venice were instrumental in arranging for Popes to promulgate the Crusades and their modern day incarnations in the City of London were responsible for fomenting both the US bombing of Cambodia and organisation of the rise of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Witness the fact that Pol Pot and were not brought to account for their crimes, for over 30 years, if at all.
It IS true that the great Talmudic ideological political falsehood has been responsible for major genocides like the Bolsheviks' murder of 66 million Russians; 10 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor; over 30 millions Eastern Europeans and Germans. Talmudists were also responsible forfomenting the genocide of 1.5 million Armenians during and after WWI. City of London Talmudists were also instrumental in the genocides perpetrated by the British Empire in India, South africa and the Opium Wars in China. But there are many others. For instance Talmudists fomented WWI and declared war on Germany in March 1933 which precipitated WWII. See eg: WORLD WAR II The JEWS Declared War - AGAINST Germany! NOT the Other Way Around! See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/WORLD-WAR-II-The-JEWS-Declared-War---AGAINST-Germany-NOT-the-Other-Way-Around.shtml
Churchill precipitated the aerial bombing of Iraqi civilians in 1920 and the saturation fire bombing of German cities during WWII. See eg: The pilots of Bomber Command cannot be called heroes. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-pilots-of-Bomber-Command-cannot-be-called-heroes.shtml
Dresden – The Real Holocaust - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Dresden-The-Real-Holocaust.shtml
A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945 - http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/A-Real-Holocaust-Dresden-13-February-1945.shtml The Balfour declaration cleared the way for Talmudists to occupy and ethnically cleanse Palestine. And of course Einstein and Oppenheimer were central actors in creation of the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and so on.
Adam Garrie: It is time to accept that free speech is healthy, censorship is harmful and that any restrictions on public association or peaceful human behaviour in the name of "one great truth" represents the road to the worst variety of fascism - that which is cloaked in one person's interpretation of good intentions.
Ron: This is naive rhetoric. Free speech presupposes at least a semblance of real truths about life, the universe and everything being generally available for those who seek it in global society. It is not. The truth about almost everything that matters has been covertly hidden or distorted for millenia. It is wishful thinking to assume the contrary.