Goethe calls school medicine practitioners who are giving people the
electuaries, that is, the poisonous substances, unabashed murderers,
who still today are being praised.
Here I can and also must refer to our publications, because we have,
as the first to do so, put the central revealing question to modern
medicine and have documented and commented on the resulting
you will find all the relevant
information on this.
Why have precisely you hit on this
I have studied molecular biology.
In the course of my studies I demonstrated the existence of the
first virus in the sea, in a sea alga. This proof was first
published in a scientific publication in 1990, in accordance with
the standard of the natural sciences. The virus whose existence I
demonstrated reproduces itself in the alga, can leave it and
reproduce itself again in other algae of this kind, without having
any negative effects, and this virus stands in no connection
whatsoever with any disease.
For instance in one litre of sea water, there are over 100 million
viruses of various kinds very different from each other.
Fortunately, the health authorities and the doctors have not become
aware of this, otherwise there since long would have been a law
permitting sea bathing only for persons attired in total body
Biological structures which would do anything negative however have
never been seen. The basis of biological life is togetherness, is
symbiosis, and in this there is no place for war and destruction.
War and destruction in biological life is something purported by
sick and criminal brains.
In the course of my studies, I and others have not been able to find
proof of the existence of disease
causing viruses anywhere. Later we
have discoursed on this publicly and have called on people not to
believe us either but to check out themselves whether or not there
Out of this there arose the klein-klein action, which since 5 years
back has been asking the health authorities for proof and which
finally has gotten admission of and certainty of the fact that there
is no proof of disease
causing viruses and no proof of a benefit of
vaccination. In order to enable us to make these results publicly
known without falsification of them, we founded the
klein-klein-verlag (publishing house) three years ago.
What viruses are there at
all, then, and what are they doing?
Structures which you can characterize as viruses there are in many
species of bacteria and in simple life forms, similar to the
bacteria. They are elements of together-living of different cells in
a common cell type which have remained independent. This is called a
symbiosis, an endosymbiosis, which has arisen in the course of the
process of different cell types' and structures' combining, an
endosymbiosis which has brought forth the present cell type, that
type of cells of which humans, animals and plants consist.
As are the bacteria in all our cells, which are breathing away our
oxygen, the mitochondria, or the bacteria in all plants which are
producing the oxygen, the chloroplasts, the viruses are component
parts of cells.
Very important: Viruses are component parts of very simple
organisms, for instance of the confervacea type of algae, a
particular species of a one-celled chlorella alga and of very many
bacteria. As existing there, these viral component parts are called
phages. In complex organisms however, in particular in humans, or in
animals or plants, such structures which you might call viruses have
never been seen.
In contrast to the bacteria in our cells, the mitochondria, or the
bacteria in every plant, the chloroplasts, which cannot leave the
common cell, since they are dependent on the metabolism of the
common cell, viruses can leave the cell, since they are not carrying
out any survival-vital tasks within the cell.
Viruses, thus, are component parts of the cell which have turned
their entire metabolism over to the common cell and therefore can
leave the cell. Outside the common cell, they are helping other
cells, in that they are transferring construction and energy
substances. Any other function of theirs has never been observed.
Those actual viruses which have been scientifically demonstrated to
exist are performing, in the very complex processes of interactions
of different cells, a helping, a supporting and in no case a
Also in the case of diseases, actually neither in the diseased
organism nor in a bodily fluid has any structure which you could
characterize as a virus ever been seen or isolated. The proposition
that there is any sick-making virus whatsoever is a transparent
swindle, a fatal lie with dramatic consequences.
With this, you are not maintaining
that the dangerous AIDS virus too is only a virtual one, are you?
Not only I am maintaining that the so-called AIDS virus "HIV" has
never been scientifically demonstrated to exist, but only is being
maintained to exist because of a purported consensus. The
Bundesgesundheitsministerin, the Minister for Public Health in
Germany, Ulla Schmidt, wrote on 05.01.2004 to the Member of
Parliament (Bundestagsabgeordneten) Rudolf Kraus:
"Of course the Human
Immunodeficiency Virus is considered - in international
scientific consensus - to be scientifically demonstrated to
Today, after citizens in the course of many years time and again
have asked the health authorities here in Germany for scientific
proof of the existence of the purported sick-making viruses, the
health authorities are no longer maintaining that any virus
whatsoever purportedly causing a disease has been directly proven to
In an ongoing process of petitioning to the Bundestag (German
parliament), the Ministry of Public Health passed the bucket of
responsibility on such matters on to the Ministry of Research. The
Ministry of Research now is taking up the absurd standpoint that the
constitutionally guaranteed freedom of science prohibits the state
from checking on that which science maintains.
But that is absurd. That
would mean that the state is surrendering us, helpless and
protectionless, into the hands of an uncontrolled science which can
do and cause to be done anything it wants. Are you really of the
opinion that the state is exposing us in such a way?
I do not have an opinion here. Concerning these matters, I can only
see and point to the facts. We are experiencing in the present bird
flu panic that the state, contrary to its knowledge, in Germany is
surrendering the population into the hands of some persons or other
who are camouflaging themselves as scientists. An enforced
chemotherapy is being planned, and next spring the entire German
population is to be forcibly vaccinated twice against the purported
bird flu phantom.
But neither has ever a bird flu virus been demonstrated to exist,
nor has the existence of any virus whatsoever that would have
anything to do with anybody's falling ill been demonstrated.
Such viruses do not exist.
Precisely in the same manner as the minister admitted, concerning
the purported AIDS virus, they are being maintained to be proven and
therefore to exist because of an international scientific consensus.
But the bird flu virus
H5N1, dangerous to humans, was quite recently very precisely
demonstrated, in an English laboratory, to exist!
If ever a virus coming from a concrete body or a bodily fluid, for
instance from birds, has been proven to exist, then any average
scientist can check out, in any average laboratory, within a day,
whether this virus is present in for instance a dead animal. This
however has never occurred, and on the contrary, indirect test
methods which are telling absolutely nothing are being used.
For instance, it's being maintained that there are antibodies which
would combine with the body of the purported virus and only with
that, and that then by there having occurred a combination between
body and antibody, the existence of the purported virus has been
In reality, those purported antibodies are soluble blood proteins,
which play a central role in the tightmaking of cells which are
growing and dividing and in the healing of wounds.
These blood proteins, also called globulins, in a test-tube
containing corresponding concentrations of acids and bases, minerals
and solvents, will combine arbitrarily with other proteins. Thus you
can make any sample taken from an animal or a person test
arbitrarily positive or negative. It's complete, and this must be
quite clearly said too, criminal, wilfulness.
Also if it is maintained that, by means of a biochemical
multiplication technique called polymerase chain reaction (PCR), the
so-called gene substance of the virus can be multiplied and thus be
proven to exist, this is a swindle, since firstly, there nowhere
exists a gene substance of a diseasecausing virus, to which one
might compare the artificially multiplied particles of gene
substance, and secondly, only such parts of gene substances get
multiplied which already existed in beforehand in those fluids which
are being used for indirectly demonstrating the existence of the
And it's quite simple:
A thousand pieces of indirect proof, corn circles for instance, do
not make an UFO either. You don't even have to know English, so as
to read those publications to which the virus swindlers are
referring, in order to see for yourself that nowhere in them does a
virus appear: If you ask those scientists for proof of the existence
of the purported viruses, for instance that of H5N1, you will get
only evasions in return and never a concrete answer.
On TV we have heard time and again that the investigations were
carried out in an English laboratory. The name of that English
laboratory the public has not gotten to know. It's the reference
laboratory of the EU for bird flu, in Weybridge. I have asked the
scientists several times for the pieces of proof of the existence of
the H5N1 virus. They have replied to me only once, and after that
never again, and wrote that they did not understand my question.
To the World Health Organization and in particular to the bird flu
pandemic co-ordinator, the German Klaus Stöhr, I also have written
several times and asked for proof of the existence of the bird flu
virus. Neither the WHO nor Klaus Stöhr has reacted to this.
But what does this H5N1,
which makes the whole world tremble, mean?
The "H" in H5N1 stands for haemagglutinin, the "N" stands for
The pseudovirologists are maintaining that in the protective coat of
influenza viruses, there are proteins of the type haemagglutinin and
proteins of the type of the enzyme neuraminidase.
As haemagglutinin, in biochemistry the most diverse substances are
being referred to, not only proteins, which are causing the red
blood-corpuscles to lump together with each other.
The pseudovirologists have jointly agreed that in the protective
coat of influenza viruses there supposedly are 15 different kinds of
proteins having the property of a haemagglutinin. The "5" here
stands for Type Five of a purported protein, whose existence, again,
is also only being demonstrated indirectly.
Now in order to prove the existence of an influenza virus, in the
laboratory red blood-corpuscles are mixed with samples in which
there supposedly is the purported virus. If the red blood-corpuscles
lump together, then it is maintained that a haemagglutinin in an
influenza virus must be the cause of this, without there ever having
been isolated a virus from - not to speak of, there ever having been
seen a virus in - such a sample or from/in such a mixture.
From the way in which the lumping together occurs the
pseudovirologists then conclude, precisely in the manner of the
seers in the cartoon Asterix and Obelix, which type of
haemagglutinin, supposedly, has been found. For this, these
scientists have available a multitude of test procedures, which by
their construction ascertain that precisely that type of
haemagglutinin which the "testing" scientist already has assumed in
advance would be present becomes indicated too.
Precisely the same is the case with the enzyme neuraminidase, which
is maintained to be a component part of the protecting coat of
influenza viruses. Here, 9 different types are being maintained by
the pseudovirologists to exist. In reality the neuraminidase is an
enzyme which by the separating off of parts of an aminosugar called
neuramin acid regulates that surface tension which is decisive for
the functioning of the respective metabolism. Analogously to the
"viral" haemagglutinin there is a multitude of corrupt test
procedures which "demonstrate" that result, that is, "the existence
of" precisely that type of neuraminidase, which the "seeing"
virologist already had assumed in advance.
Therefore it is also no wonder that that turkey cock, belonging to
the 73 years old farmer Dimitris Kominaris of the East Aegean island
of Inousses, which ostensibly died of H5N1, has vanished without a
trace, that at the reference laboratory in question demonstrably no
sample from Greece has arrived either, and that the clairvoyant
media however have reported that a first sample has confirmed the
For demonstrating the existence of H5N1, really no sample is
necessary either, since, as is the case with all purported
contagious diseases, it is a question of a planned action, intended
for political reasons to induce fear.
In the media, photos of
bird flu viruses and influenxa viruses constantly are being shown.
Some of these photos show round formations. Are those not viruses?
No! Firstly, those round formations which supposedly are influenza
viruses are, as every molecular-biologist can see, artificially
produced particles consisting of fats and proteins. The layman can
check on this by asking for a scientific publication in which these
pictures are reproduced and described and the composition of the
formations shown is documented. Such a publication does not exist.
Secondly, those pictures which supposedly show bird flu viruses in
reality show, as every biologist can make out without any doubt
about it, quite normal component parts of cells, or even show
complete cells which happen to be in the process of exporting or
importing cell and metabolism component parts. Again, the layman can
check on this very precisely, by asking for those publications on
which those photos are based and from which they originate: He will
never receive such publications. The scaremongerers' craftguild is
loth to expose its trade basis, the swindles with laboratory and
If you ask the picture agencies or a news agency such as the dpa
from where they are getting these photos of theirs, then they will
refer you to the American contagious-disease authority the CDC of
the Pentagon. From this CDC it is that the only photo of the
purported H5N1 originates too.
This photo shows the length section cut and also the cross section
cut of tubes in cells which have been caused to die in a test-tube.
These small tubes in the professional language are called
microtubuli, and serve the transport and communication in the cell
and in the process of cell division.
It has been demonstrated however
that H5N1 kills hen embryos and can be cultivated in eggs.
Where is the rat to be smelled in this?
These experiments have been used already since over 100 years back,
in order to "prove" the existence of several "viruses" quite
different from each other, for instance also that of the purported
smallpox virus. In these experiments, extracts are being injected
through the eggshell into the embryo. Depending on how much is
injected and where in the embryo the supposedly "virus-infected"
extract is injected, the embryo dies faster or more slowly. It would
die from such injections in precisely the same manner too if the
extracts were sterlilized in advance.
This killing then is presented by those virologists, firstly, as
direct proof of the existence of the respective virus, secondly as
proof of the possibility of multiplying the virus, and thirdly and
simultaneously as proof of the isolation of the virus.
From hen embryos killed in this way, millions of which are dying
silently each year at the vaccine manufacturers', various vaccine
substances are being produced.
Besides hen embryos, also cells are being killed in test-tubes in
order to present the dying of these cells as proof of the existence,
the multiplying and the isolation of a diseasecausing virus.
Nowhere however is a virus being isolated in this manner,
photographed in an electron microscope and its component parts
described in processes of the type called electrophoresis.
But then what does kill the animals
in the animal experiments, if it is not the H5N1?
Concerning this too you only have to take a look at the publications
in which these animal experiments are described. Hens are being
slowly suffocated to death within three days by means of
administering a fluid to them through the windpipe tube.
In small Java monkeys, 30 days before the purported infection
temperature transmitters are being placed in the abdomen, 5 days
before the purported infection they are fixated in an air
sub-pressure chamber and at the point of the so-called infection, an
amount of liquid corresponding to 6 schnaps glasses for humans is
pressed through the tube in the windpipe of these young animals.
Parts of the same extract from dying, that is putrifying, cells are
sprayed into both eyes and into the tonsils of the animals. In many
cases, suffocation attacks are caused in the animals by means of
rinsing the bronchial tubes, etc. The resulting damage and
destruction is then presented as the result of H5N1.
I have informed the earlier Minister for Consumer Protection, Künast,
and the present minister, Trittin, who are presenting themselves as
protectors of animals, about this, via their personal reporters.
There was no reaction.
But the virus of the Spanish flu
has been reconstructed genetically and also has been demonstrated to
be a bird flu virus!
What, so to speak, was reconstructed genetically is nothing else
than a model of the genetic substance of an influenza virus. An
influenza virus has never been isolated. A genetic substance of an
influenza virus has never been isolated either. All that has been
done is multiplying gene substance by means of the biochemical
multiplication method "poliymerase chain reaction". With this method
it also is possible to multiply arbitrarily new, never earlier
existing, short pieces of gene substance.
Thus it's possible with this technique also to manipulate the
genetic fingerprint, that is, to test someone as identical to or
different from a sample that has been "found". Only if very much of
gene substance that can be compared is found will the genetic
fingerprint, provided the process is carried out properly, provide a
certain probability of a match.
Dr Jeffery Taubenberger, from whom the allegation of a
reconstruction of the 1918 pandemic virus originates, works for the
US-American army and has worked for more than 10 years on producing,
on the basis of samples from different human corpses, short pieces
of gene substance by means of the biochemical multiplication
technique PCR. Out of the multitude of produced pieces he has
selected those which came closest to the model of the genetic
substance of the idea of an influenza virus, and has published
In no corpse however was a virus seen or isolated or was a piece of
gene substance from a such isolated. By means of the PCR technique
there were produced out of nothing pieces of gene substance whose
earlier existence in the corpse could not be demonstrated.
If viruses had been present, then these could have been isolated,
and out of them their gene substance could have been isolated too;
there would have been no necessity for anyone to produce
laboriously, by means of PCR technique - with clearly a swindle
intention - a patchwork quilt of a model of the genetic substance of
the idea of an influenza virus.
How can a layman check on
About these short pieces of gene substance, which in the sense of
genetics are not complete and which do not even suffice for defining
a gene, it is being maintained that they together would make up the
entire gene substance of an influenza virus.
In order to see through this swindle one only has to be able to add
up the published length pieces, in order to ascertain that the sum
of the lengths of the individual pieces, which supposedly makes up
the entire viral gene substance of the purported influenza virus,
does not make up the length of the idea of the genome of the
influenza virus model.
Even simpler it is to ask in what publication you can find the
electron microscope photo of this supposedly reconstructed virus.
There is no such publication.
It's being maintained that
these experiments have demonstrated that this reconstructed virus
from 1918 would kill very effectively. What might be untrue in this?
If I inject into a hen embryo a mixture of artificially-produced
pieces of gene substance and proteins and aim at the centre of its
heart, then it dies faster than if I only inject the mixture into
the embryo peripherically.
If I expose cells in a test-tube to a quantity of
artificially-produced gene substance and proteins, then they die
faster than under the standard conditions for cells' dying in a
test-tube, something which "normally" is being presented as proof of
the existence, as proof of the isolation and as proof of the
multiplication of the purported virus.
Based on this artificially produced gene substance, which is
presented as viral, models of proteins are being made with
computers. Procceding from these protein models, the appearance of
the entire virus is reconstructed with computers.
That is all, but the whole world believes that you can reconstruct
viruses in laboratories. Thus it's no wonder either that, referring
to statements by the CIA and by the British secret service MI6, it
is being maintained that in North Korea, the communist regime would
now be producing flu viruses even more deadly than H5N1.
What conclusions do you
draw from this?
Since the head of the supposed al-Qaida, Bin Laden, has not been
found, al-Qaida in Arabic only means The Road and nothing had been
heard of this organization before the hotcleaning-up of the
collapse-endangered skyscrapers in New York, since, just as the
supposed smallpox viruses have not been found, there were not found
any mass destruction weapons of Saddam's, which were the reason for
the second Iraq war, and now once more some deadly viruses are being
maintained to exist, it should be obvious who in reality are the
terrorists and who in reality are the suicide bombers: All who are
participating in the virus panic and are contributing to it!
In the pandemic plans a possible breakdown of the provisioning and
of public order, in connection with the declaring of a bird flu
pandemic, has been envisaged by the WHO. The estimates of up to 100
million deaths should be taken seriously.
As being under threat I see all inhabitants of homes for the aged,
who in a breaking-out of chaos and a breakdown of the provisioning
systems, and with those the public order, will be the first, and
besides small children the most protectionless and defenceless,
victims. Hardly possble to depict would it be, if the
contagious-disease makers would declare the emergency already during
Does then the substance Tamiflu,
which is now being purchased with tax money and stocked, protect
people from the bird flu?
That this substance protects against a flu nobody is maintaining.
Tamiflu is supposed to function as a neuraminidase-restraining
agent. It restrains in an organism the function of the sugar
neuraminidase acid, which is co-responsible for the surface tension
in the cells.
Those side effects which are noted on the instruction slips
accompanying packages of Tamiflu are almost identical to the
symptoms of a serious influenza. On a large scale, thus, medicines
are now being stored which cause precisely the same symptoms as
those which appear in an actual so-called influenza - and which will
discontinue, with a doctor, after seven days, and without a doctor
after a week.
If Tamiflu is administered to sick persons, then this is likely to
cause far more serious symptoms than those of a serious influenza.
If a pandemic is stated to exist, then many people will take this
medicine at the same time. In that case we will actually have
unequivocal symptoms of a Tamiflu epidemic. Then also deaths caused
by Tamiflu are to be expected, and this will then be presented as
evidence of the dangerous nature of the bird flu and evidence of how
anxious is the state that people should be in good health.
In this, the well-tested AIDS pattern is being repeated. In Spain
it's noted on the instruction slips accompanying packages of AIDS
medicine that it is not known whether the symptoms are caused by the
medicine or by the virus.
Then you will also not recommend
any general vaccination or the specially developed vaccination
against the bird flu?
I am not recommending any madness.
Every vaccination substance contains poisonous substances which have
effects during a long time resulting in smaller or larger permanent
injury. The infection protection law requires, as necessary
precondition for a vaccination's being justified, the
, the fact of there
existing something which causes a disease, for instance a virus.
Since none of the so-called diseasecausing viruses can be, nor
should be, maintained to exist, there can also be no lawful
vaccinations against influenza, and none against bird flu either.
Every vaccination which has occurred in Germany after the infection
protection law became operative on 01.01.2000 is a crime of serious
bodily assault. Of course I am not recommending people to surrender
themselves to become victims of lawbreakings and crimes.
What in your opinion lies behind all
this which we are now experiencing here?
About this one can only speculate.
Of course the pharmaceutial industry is happy about the big business
with the bird flu panic. But in fact every individual lies behind
this madness. The situation is what it is. The situation could only
come to this because we as citizens have tolerated that our state
acts in this way against people, although our state is formally a
democratic state built on law.
Anyone who waits for the pharmaceutical industry to do something for
the good of people concerning this will wait in vain. "Wer sich
jetzt nicht wehrt, der lebt verkehrt" - "You don't now put up a
defence? Your life won't have the right sense."
Anyone can ask the Ministry for Consumer Protection, the Ministry
for Public Health etc for that scientific proof which would justify
the bird flu panic.
Anyone who waits for "the others" to do something should not wonder
if those others do nothing and the situation does not remain what it
is but even gets much worse. In the final instance we, the citizens,
stand behind this, in that we for years without doing anything about
it have seen the whole madness around us and have tolerated it. Here
we must begin to take social responsibility, if we do not want to
surrender and sacrifice ourselves to the total domination and chaos
of an uncontrolled pseudoscience.
Must then in your opinion
science be combated?
The domination of the pseudoscience must be overcome by means of a
social science which is characterized by its obligation to
truthfulness and by the possibility to check on it and to control
The language of the present university medical science reveals that
in it, a democratically-lawfully uncontrolled domination stands in
the foreground, when the school medicine practitioners and the state
are referring, as justification for their actions, to the
"dominating opinion in medical science" to which we supposedly have
to submit also if this domination maintains that the babies are
brought by the stork or that the earth is a flat disk.
We have however no reason to complain.
We it is, is it not, who are tolerating this governmental line of
conduct. Anyway nobody should wonder, if he continues to tolerate
that we must surrender ourselves to this domination, as we are doing
now faced with the absurdity of the bird flu allegations, if then he
wakes up one morning and with horror finds that he is dead: Killed
by that domination which he as citizen of a democratic state built
on law has tolerated.
In a democratic state built on law, the bird flu panic would be just
as impossible as would AIDS and vaccinations. We the citizens must
bring about the state built on law. Then not only AIDS but also the
pseudoscience and the bird flu will have no chance. I can only say:
Don't give the bird flu a chance! Don't believe the lies you are
being told! Check things out! Use your reason!
For those who want to do something: At
[The German original: © 2005 FAKTuell
I'm bringing this
translation in its present form as made by me, despite the fact that
my knowledge both of biology and of medicine is very slight and
neither English nor German is a mother tongue of mine, because I
hold this interview to be important. Hoping that I've made no big
errors in the above, I shall submit it to checking-out by some
others who, I believe, will find all such if there are some anyway.
All readers of this too are very welcome to send me their
criticisms. If it turns out that major corrections and/or
improvements are needed, I shall incorporate them here at my
homepage in a version or in versions later, which will then be dated
too. Here's my e-mail
again. - RM, 22.02.2006
I've now corrected this translation in two ways: 1) As translation
of the German word "Eiweiß", I've replaced "albumin" with "protein"
throughout, since this is the actual meaning of that word - albumins
are only a particular kind of proteins. 2) Some spelling errors and
in one case an omission (factually not very important) of a couple
of words in the original have been corrected. - RM, 20.08.2006