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AH Member Writings : Esteban Last Updated: Jan 15, 2018 - 6:46:38 AM


How can be Jupiter a Star/Sun
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Esteban: This article speaks about some ideas on how can be transformed or induced Jupiter to be a Star or Sun and of course it not represents or describes the proccess made by the GF.


Can we artificially make the core of Jupiter, for example, began to fuse hydrogen into helium?.

Well to get a fusion reaction of hydrogen in self-need first major, second to keep the atom nuclei (protons) close together and the third providing a lot of energy.
This is achieved in the core of stars like the Sun because, first, consisting of more than 90% hydrogen per second, the high pressure of the nucleus (10 ^ 11 atmospheres) to counter the electromagnetic repulsion of the protons, and are, then, close together (confined) and thirdly, the energy is provided by the fifteen million degrees Celsius at which the nucleus is stellar.

In Jupiter, we would have a core of silicates and metals that do not serve us but a belt surrounding liquid metallic hydrogen at 20,000 º C at a pressure of 3 x 10 ^ 6 atmospheres and with a thickness of 20,000 km

Well, the minimum pressure required to produce a fusion reaction is self-1 x 10 ^ 6 atm. Then we have three times the pressure needed. This pressure is necessary to confine the hydrogen nuclei and overcome the electromagnetic repulsion.
In fact, at this pressure the density of matter is 3 x 10 ^ 25 atoms hidrógeno/cm3. (In hot fusion experimental reactor achieved a density of 1 x 10 ^ 25 particles per cm3).

As we all know, also, the planet Jupiter is in 95% hydrogen. Estimates on the amount of hydrogen in the belt near the nucleus show the figure of 21% or 22% of the total hydrogen of the planet is located there.

The total amount of hydrogen atoms on Jupiter is estimated at 1.078 x 10 ^ 54 atoms of H. Then, the belt will have 22% 1.078 x 10 ^ 54 = 2.372 x 10 ^ 53 atoms.

Why, when a hydrogen bomb detonated in the atmosphere, it does not catch fire and continue the reaction is because, first, the Earth's atmosphere are not enough hydrogen to continue the reaction and, second, that there is not enough together, confined.

But certainly if there is enough hydrogen in Jupiter and sufficiently close their cores.

So on the belt of hydrogen surrounding the core of Jupiter have the necessary pressure and the amount needed.
We lack the temperature.

To start a fusion reaction we need a temperature of approximately 1 x 10 ^ 7 K.
The temperature in the belt of metallic hydrogen is about 20,000 ° C.
How do we increase the temperature, then, something that was hidden from 100,000 kms to the outside atmosphere, in the depths of the Jovian giant?.

For example, on Jupiter could throw the entire global nuclear arsenal and see if Jupiter as a star turn on ".
Here, the energy released by the nuclear arsenal to the same thing, the equivalent to the energy that Jupiter is the sun in a day or so. In addition, the Jupiter generates daily double of that energy. Well, it does not seem a good idea then.

Another possibility. Perhaps to divert an asteroid impact and throw to him. Well, we've already seen a few years ago that is useless. The asteroid hits the atmosphere and decays after traveling a few hundred kilometers in the atmosphere. Volatilise is well above the belt of hydrogen we were interested.

A more interesting possibility that I can think of would be used, for example, magnetohydrodynamics waves.
Certainly worth a few neurons that many megatons.

Magnetohydrodynamics waves are acoustic waves that interact with a strong magnetic field and are coupled. Ie, the coupled oscillation of the oscillating field to the magnetic field.
In the Sun are the mechanism which transports energy from the convective zone to the solar corona.

In fact one of the mysteries about the Sun was to know which areas of the atmosphere closest to the solar radiation as the photosphere and chromosphere showed a temperature of 5700 ° C and 28,000 ° C, respectively, however, the Crown, more distant presents a temperature of nearly 2,000,000 ¡º C !...¿ how is this possible?

In the sun, the heat is transported by granules, cells from the convective zone to the photosphere moving at high speed (about 5,000 km / h). These movements create turbulent velocities that are acoustic waves which interact with the magnetic field of the star, and generate waves magnetohydrodynamics.
Magnetohydrodynamics waves depend on the intensity of the magnetic field and the density of matter in which they spread.
When these waves penetrate into areas of high and low density of the solar atmosphere, the corona, sharply accelerate its rate of spread and transform into shock waves which dissipate their energy rapidly to produce energy collisions between particles, making heat.

Ie, these waves are capable of delivering energy transferred as heat. Could we heat the liquid hydrogen belt with magnetohydrodynamics waves ... The problem is that these waves are compression ... not yet ...

Here, the option would be to transmit energy through the magnetic field of Jupiter
magnetohydrodynamics waveforms, which cause oscillations
violent of charged particles. The resulting collisions contribute
the increase of temperature. In this way we could drive energy from the outside atmosphere down at the depths of the planet and to reach the belt of hydrogen, increasing the density of matter in that region would produce an increase in the oscillation of particles and generation of heat.

So, then, we could identify unstable areas in the outer atmosphere of Jupiter. External areas and sparsely populated. Areas where hydrogen and helium is partially ionized. In these areas the opacity of the material is greater when the gas is compressed.
Imagine, then, we could transmit large amounts of energy to these areas.

If so, with increasing temperature, hydrogen and helium ionize more and all energy is used in this ionization, increasing the opacity of matter to reduce the transmission of energy.
This compression with consequent increase in temperature would be reciprocated by a push thermal gas which entails an expansion of the atmosphere and thus a decrease in the opacity of matter and a recombination of hydrogen and helium atoms emitted stored energy in the expansion.

This new power initially offset the contraction of the atmosphere by gravity, but only for a moment, enough so that the gravitational energy is accumulated in the outer edges of the Jovian atmosphere, compressing the particles together and trapped between energy push and contraction.
This would increase pressure to relinquish power and decreasing the recombination would produce a compression wave into the earth.
This wave reached the densest areas of the interior would produce an increase in the oscillation of atoms of hydrogen and high heat generation. Greater the higher the density of matter.
When the temperature reached the ten million degrees ... well ... we are already melting.

Well, if the belt of metallic hydrogen in Jupiter enters merger, Jupiter became a star. What kind?. Given its mass spectral type M, a red dwarf, Proxima Centauri as such.
A red dwarf star emits between one thousand and thirty times as much light energy that the Sun
Let us then that our new star would shine less that one hundred times the Sun This means, according to the Pogson scale, the new Jupiter possess more than five magnitudes of the Sun also found four times farther from Earth ... then then its apparent magnitude from Earth would be -18 or -19. Its brightness would be one hundred percent or twenty times more potent than the full moon or so.

The energy produced would be one hundred times less than that of the sun So every second the sun burns a lot of 6 x 10 ^ 14 grams of hydrogen or what is 3.5844 x 10 ^ 38 atoms of hydrogen every second and converts in helium.

Jupiter would then be able to merge 3.5844 x 10 ^ 36 atoms of hydrogen into helium. As in the belt of metallic hydrogen is 2.372 x 10 ^ 53 and we need to have a minimum compression of fusion 10 ^ 25 hydrogen atoms per cm3.
Ie I need a minimum mass of

m = d x V
m = 10 ^ 25 cm3 x (2.679 x 10 ^ 29 - 3.349 x 10 ^ 2Cool cm3 = 10 ^ 25 cm3 x 2.3441 x 10 ^ 28 cm3 = 2.3441 x 10 ^ 53
It would say a mass for the merge,
2.372 x 10 ^ 53 - 2.3441 x 10 ^ 53 = 2.79 x 10 ^ 51 atoms of hydrogen.

Then if, as proposed, Jupiter is able to merge 3.5844 x 10 ^ 36 atoms of hydrogen per second, then kept their nuclear reactions during

2.79 x 10 ^ 51 / 3.5844 x 10 ^ 36 = 7.783 x 10 ^ 14 seconds.
As one year is 3.1536 x 10 ^ 7 seconds, then ...

7.783 x 10 ^ 14 / 3.1536 x 10 ^ 7 = 2.4679 x 10 ^ 7 years ... 24,679,000 years.

Jupiter shine like a star for nearly 25 million years ago ... Not bad.

Well, the summary would heat the metal belt Jupiter hydrogen through magnetohydrodynamics waves through zones of unstable partially ionized outer atmosphere of Jupiter through the application of energy in these points.
We could even use resonances in wave propagation in such a way as to produce a wave and from other positions to produce new waves that were linked to each other and join their wave amplitudes ...


Well, the possibility of turning Jupiter into a star, if only temporarily, and I spoke at a post in another thread. Moving here from what is already stated in the above post and the remainder will resume.

Well, the composition of Jupiter is composed by more than 90% hydrogen like stars. The first problem is that its core is rocky, however, has a ring of hydrogen at high density surrounding the nucleus. This ring is made of a liquid metallic hydrogen compressed to a very high pressure of 3 x 10 ^ 6 atmospheres and a temperature of 20,000 ° C and with a thickness of less than 20,000 Kms

Well, the pressures in these zones of Jupiter are sufficient to maintain a self-fusion reaction, and this ring is above 20% of the total hydrogen with which the planet.

To start a fusion reaction in the first place we need to have a sufficient supply of hydrogen nuclei, these nuclei contain second and third to give them enough power to start the reaction.

Theoretically we have the first two premises. We lack the third.
The temperature required to start these reactions occur is 10 ^ 7 º C. Well, then how do we move from the reigning 20,000 º C to 10,000,000 º C we need?

Well, when I thought how could I do to convert a gas into a world star what occurred to me was the following.

In principle there are two possibilities to increase the temperature in that area. One, increase the density of the fluid waves of compression and thereby raising its temperature. Longitudinal waves that carry the fluid in its path. Required to trigger this ability to generate shock waves sufficient to conduct business.

Or a second possibility that would send waves capable of delivering energy from the outside to the most remote areas of the planet and then releasing that energy as heat.

In the sun, the heat is transported by granules, cells from the convective zone to the photosphere moving at high speed (about 5,000 km / h). These movements create turbulent velocities that are acoustic waves which interact with the magnetic field of the star, and generate waves magnetohydrodynamics.

Magnetohydrodynamics waves depend on the intensity of the magnetic field and the density of matter in which they spread.
When these waves penetrate into areas of high and low density of the solar atmosphere, the corona, sharply accelerate its rate of spread and transform into shock waves which dissipate their energy rapidly to produce energy collisions between particles, making heat.

Ie, these waves are capable of delivering energy transferred as heat. The option would be to transmit energy through the magnetic field of Jupiter in magnetohydrodynamics waveforms, which cause violent oscillations of charged particles. Collisions contribute to the resulting increase in temperature. In this way we could drive energy from the outside atmosphere down at the depths of the planet.

The second approach is to consider that there are areas of instability and low density in the atmosphere of Jupiter. Areas where hydrogen and helium is partially ionized. In these areas the opacity of the material is greater when the gas is compressed.

Imagine, then, we could transmit large amounts of energy to these areas. If we increase the temperature in these areas are more ionizarían and all energy is used in this ionization, increasing the opacity of matter to reduce the transmission of energy.

This compression with consequent increase in temperature would be reciprocated by a push thermal gas which entails an expansion of the atmosphere and thus a decrease in the opacity of matter and a recombination of hydrogen and helium atoms emitted stored energy in the expansion.

This new power initially offset the contraction of the atmosphere by gravity, but only for a moment, enough so that the gravitational energy is accumulated in the outer edges of the Jovian atmosphere, compressing the particles together and trapped between energy push and contraction.
This would increase pressure to relinquish power and decreasing the recombination would produce a compression wave into the earth.

This wave reached the densest areas of the interior would produce an increase in the oscillation of atoms of hydrogen and high heat generation. Greater the higher the density of matter.
When the temperature reached the ten million degrees ... well ... we are already melting.

That is, in this way, we would have time to carry heat waves inwards (magnetohydrodynamics waves) and secondary compression waves (from the partial ionization of the atmosphere of certain areas jupiteriana). That is, we serve the two possibilities to heat the inner ring of Jupiter who spoke earlier.


Taken from: http://foros.astroseti.org/viewtopic.php?t=4038




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